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October 25th, 2011 Leave a comment Go to comments

If it walks like a duck; if it talks like a duck…
It could be a duck. Or a geeky poker player. Or a politician in reelection mode. Or…
Ducks aren’t known to be overly bright. The Peking ones are tasty but lost to the gene pool.

In the not too bright category, I’ll try to come up with a poker post. Seeing I haven’t played in months, it going to be hard to promote my great skill and obvious genius. So, I’ll fall back to something you, they, everybody already know. But, hey, it is a poker post.

Quack-Quack is a pair of ducks the worst paired hand.  But it a slight favorite to take out the third best starting hand — AK.   In a ring game it is an interesting hand with interesting relating to both curse and joy.  It isn’t as good as, say, 44 — which can also be played in an ‘interesting’ manner by the jaded.  (Interesting but stupid is my top Google search connection thanks to Arte Johnson. And it may also apply to recent 44 activity.)

The thing about these hands, is if we look at every permutation/option/thought, we just exceeded the size of War and Peace.  So, lets stay with acceptable blog length and my limitations.

You are likely to make a set 8.5% of the time.  Those are roughly the odds of drawing on the turn to an inside straight.  The reason to ignore that is that it smack of an implied odds hand.  Implied odds smacks of genius coupled to getting to act like an idiot and succeeding.  So, you flop your set and the world is rosy.  That assumes an uncoordinated flop and there not being a better set in the hands of a fellow evil genius. (~100:1)

Implied odds hands that hit are golden.  Fuel55 (remember him?) knew that Presto was certainly that and made profit and a blog from the fact.  In ring games you need to make $8.5/$ profit but, more important, it is the stuff of big pot dreams.  That was Fuel55 point.  In tournament, the common knowledge is that implied odds are less a factor.  Another tome could discuss that.  It ain’t simple.  Ever.

What all this boils down to is level 2 thinking.  Along with Martha we all parrot, “That is a good thing.” and it often is.  Or odds go out the window and stacker becomes stackee. We do have a tendency to make more of our level II thinking than we should.  Level II often traps us into a path that is fought with traps.  We fail to adopt and then we parish.

All that has little to do with the topic beyond a very general discussion of a so-so hand that can be oh so sweet when we see a 22A flop.  We’ve the stuff of dreams and even rivered nightmares. Damn but I miss that. Never thought I’d say that in that context.

So there you have it.  I’ve come up with a poker post.  It broke no new ground.  You leave no wiser.  But, I managed a poker post  … so there!

Curse you SDNY and the graduate school of jurisprudence that spawned you.

P.S. To anyone who might go all-in with 80 BB and fail with such a hand, it isn’t that promoting the hand is bad.  That isn’t a failure.  Overbetting is.



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  1. Very Josie
    October 25th, 2011 at 08:30 | #1

    I wasn’t promoting the bad move so much as being honest about a bad ovrebetting play.  if I write about good moves I should write about the shitty ones too. 

    The last thing I was trying to do was promote that kind of play.

    +1 for writing a poker post! Mama likie!

  2. October 25th, 2011 at 08:58 | #2

    Dear Unnamed/Unlinked individual –whoever you are,
    Promoting in the context used is a synonym for betting.

  3. Very Josie
    October 25th, 2011 at 09:46 | #3

    When are you going to start being nice to me?  Just pretend I’m Mojo – that might help!

  4. October 25th, 2011 at 09:49 | #4

    A poker post? What’s that?

  5. October 25th, 2011 at 10:42 | #5

    Poker?  Not sure.  But, I can remember decades past so some memory must be left.
    Like Mojo?
    Solid Player?
    That a stretch but if you insist.  As long as we leave out humble, that is.
    Always be careful what you wish for.
    I have repeatedly mentioned that people I don’t like are treated with utmost courtesy.  Its friends that go in the barrel.  You should write that down as it seems you keep forgetting that.

  6. October 25th, 2011 at 12:13 | #6

    From a recent post on my blog: “I made a huge score when I flopped a set of 4’s with an Ace on the flop. I thought I was ahead all the way and did not know if an Ace on the river might have screwed me. I re-raised the villain’s final raise, and he tanked before calling, telling me that I won the big hand. I was shocked to see that he had flopped a straight and was ahead of me the whole time. Thank goodness for the river or I would have lost a buy-in.”  So … you never know, even when you look golden after the flop. That hand translated to a $600-700 pot. THAT was the way to play 4-4.  lol

    btw — I have never mentioned it before, but you have never added me to your blogroll. Joe C says that you owe me about 100 links. One will do. tyia

  7. October 25th, 2011 at 14:15 | #7

    <i>”Ducks aren’t known to be overly bright.”</i>

    Ummm… excuse me!

  8. October 25th, 2011 at 15:37 | #8

    Please excuse my error,;Daffy Lucki!  Be sure not to hang out in any Chinese store windows!
    And, Sparky,  I recall the post and the nice results  Nice to pull a Josie for a change  As to the rest, what can I say beyond old and senile.!

  9. October 25th, 2011 at 17:51 | #9

    Now THAT is a link. Jealous, Josie baby?

  10. Very Josie
    October 25th, 2011 at 20:12 | #10


  11. Very Josie
    October 25th, 2011 at 20:14 | #11

    And I don’t like the placement either!  On top of me?  Surely intentional.

  12. October 25th, 2011 at 22:08 | #12

    He’s only fulfilling your dreams, baby.

  13. October 26th, 2011 at 05:47 | #13

    Don’t get use to the makeup link, Sparky Thunderboomer. 
    Along with the Young Lady, (phffffft) straighten up or I’ll start charging for baby sitting.
    Play nice or no milk and cookies.

  14. Very Josie
    October 26th, 2011 at 06:26 | #14

    @lightning Well he DOES have  me sandwiched between you and waffles.  perhaps he knows what he’s doing.

  15. October 26th, 2011 at 07:29 | #15

    Oh ye of little faith.  Rock and a hard spot also comes to mind.

  16. Very Josie
    October 26th, 2011 at 07:39 | #16

    Hard spot comes to my mind too.

  17. October 26th, 2011 at 07:53 | #17

    OK, you were upgraded.  Seeing you don’t care for your current picture, I provided one that works better.  It too will be temporary.

  18. Very Josie
    October 26th, 2011 at 09:09 | #18

    You’re a peach!  A rotten one, but a peach. 

  19. October 26th, 2011 at 09:57 | #19

    AWWW, She loves me; she really loves me.

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